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Campbell is a professor of psychology at the University of Georgia as well as the author of the

Narcissism Epidemic, when you love a man who loves himself and most recently the new science of narcissism

He also has more than 120 peer-reviewed articles and he lives in Athens, Georgia. Keith, so excited to talk to you today.

Oh, it's fun to be here, Scott. Thanks for having me. We go, uh, we go way back. I remember I was writing an article for psychology today. Do you remember that like 12 years ago on?

It has been a long time. We've been kind of talking about these issues of narcissism and the good side and the bad side and the you know the challenges

it's been a long time. Yeah I really appreciated your insights on that article

is running back then and then I've been blessed to be a colleague of yours now.

But I want to just jump into this question of narcissism and what is it?

What is narcissism?

I feel like everyone says if they don't like someone they'll say oh that's person such a narciss that's that's become the phrase for anyone you don't like.

Yeah. They're successful and better looking than you.

Yeah, they're a narcissist.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that's the risk, you know, it's sort of the sort of meta-narcicism is you use

narciss, someone else's narcissism is a defense against your own inadequacy.

Yeah, it's a term that gets used a lot and is usually sort of pejorative, but as you know, we think of

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