Hello and welcome everybody. We have got Murray coming live on the channel. Mary's never been live on the channel before.

And we've got, yeah, thank you for coming on. And Murray has got her own theory from working as a victim's advocate in Australia for a long time now and a lot of experience in that profession.

And she saw the news about Virginia's death. And a friend reached out to me and said, we need to

talk to Murray because she's got some very interesting information to convey to the public.

Before we do that, Mary, do you just want to tell the viewers a little bit about you

and what led you getting interested in Virginia's case?

Well, because basically I've been advocating for people who have been abused as children

and trafficked as children,

most specifically through child protection.

And so I've been looking into issues relating to that for a very long time.

So, you know, the whole saga, the whole Epstein saga,

has been very interesting to me.

And then when you saw...

Yeah.

When you saw the news about Virginia's death, what were you thinking?

Well, Virginia actually lived a quarter of an hour away from me.

So I'm living in Perth.

She was down the road, but I never actually did get to meet her.

What I'm thinking, well, obviously the bus accident hit the newspaper,

the photograph hit the newspaper, the local newspapers.

And then when I found out she had died, things just

didn't, they just didn't gel. They didn't, you know, things didn't add up. And so I decided that

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