Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School of Theology,

Biola University.

And I'm your co-host Sean McDow, Professor of Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology

Biolia University. We're here today with my good friend, Dr. Bill Havlacheck, who's a professor

at the Laguna College of Art and Design, and one of the leading experts around the world in the art and the life of

Vincent Van Gogh, particularly the connection between Van Gogh's artwork and

his vibrant Christian faith.

So Bill, I think it's fair to say that Van Gogh has been at least a major part, if not the major

part of your life's work.

Your book, Van Gogh's Untold Journey,

is just a terrific book, which I'd recommend for all of our listeners.

In fact, we'll post a link for listeners can order that as a part of our podcast.

But how did you come to your interest in Van Gogh?

It really began on 1967 when I was a 20 year old student that I'll give the

listener somebody to have my age. I'm 70 now, but I was living in Holland, a junior abroad student and I was able to see

Van Gogh paintings and drawings for the first time in the flesh having seen

them in art history books and all of that.

And the difference between seeing a reproduction and seeing a Van Gueo and reality is the difference

between night and day.

And I'd say my interest began there was the seed was planted and then while I was

serving in the military especially working as a psychiatric orderly, which I did during the Vietnam War,

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