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It almost seems like they're watching us, like a god a little bit, if this is the case, to make sure we don't destroy ourselves.

So I interviewed a number of eyewitnesses regarding that aspect of the phenomenon, and that is, particularly during the Cold War, the height of the Cold War, they are witnessed in Russia and all scattered across the United States.

And this launch control officer, Robert Salas, I'll never forget this.

He said, well, James, the message I got when they shut our nukes off,

it's almost like they were taking matches out of the hands of a baby. Yeah. So, I'm going to be able to be able to be.

I'm going to be.

I'm going to be. i'm trying out this camera thing yeah we'll get it there but james this was a small world situation with you coming in because a few months ago, I had a lessee over here who's in the studio, who's a long time friend now, future producer of the show, but I had a lessee in here about, I guess a year ago now, it was January, right? And he had just helped you produce this documentary down in Brazil. And about seven months later, my friend

Danny Jones from Concrete calls me up and goes, yo, I got this really cool guy coming in tomorrow,

James Fox. And I'm like, like the James Fox? He's like, yeah. And then that podcast went to Mars,

because no pun intended, because people loved it. And so now we got got you here and i'm excited to have in someone

who was actually on the scene with you as well yeah i almost got him shot too so but for people that

don't know you drove down here from vermont so that is some that's some clutch shit right there and i

appreciate you doing that yeah well i got on the airplane, and early morning flight, I think I got up around 3.30 a.m., which I hate getting up. I hate early flights. I'll stress about them for weeks, and I get to the airport, and then the lines are long, and I get through security, and I was like, oh, it's getting me on this airplane, me out of here. You know, I'm way in the way back, for the seat,

all the way back about an inch from the toilet.

And I'm saying there, I was like, all right, well, at least it's a quick flight.

So we're on the runway for over an hour.

I'm like, why is this plane not taking off?

They're just leaving us in the dark here you know and then it's like uh ladies and gentlemen uh we got a slight

problem um one of our engines is has failed us why didn't that pilot go fuck it we're gonna give

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