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🤯 [VIDEO] - CIA vs KGB's 1960 Covert War for Congo | Stuart Reid • 165

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Julian Dorey

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šŸ—“ļø 31 October 2023

ā±ļø 134 minutes

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BUY STUART’S BOOK: https://www.amazon.com/Lumumba-Plot-Secret-History-Assassination/dp/1524748811Ā  (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Stuart Reid is a journalist, author, and historian. Reid is currently an executive editor of ForeignĀ  Affairs. EPISODE LINKS: - Get 15% OFF MudWTR (PROMO CODE: ā€œJULIANā€): https://mudwtr.com/julianĀ  - Julian Dorey PODCAST MERCH: https://legacy.23point5.com/creator/Julian-Dorey-9826?tab=Featured Ā  - Support our Show on PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDoreyĀ  - Join our DISCORD: https://discord.gg/ubyXDkWx CREDITS: - Hosted & Produced by Julian D. Dorey - Intro & Episode Edit by Alessi Allaman ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - The CIA & KGB in Congo, Patrice Lumumba, & Belgium Colonization Background 11:52 - Belgium’s corrupt government in Congo 19:16 - Lumumba’s rise to political power in Congo 25:13 - African independence movements across Congo 31:38 - How big CIA was in 1960s; Intel Agencies in Belgian Congo 38:10 - Lumumba’s popularity rise; Belgium gives up Congo; CIA & Intel take places 45:28 - Joseph Kasavubu’s backstory; Lumumba’s first cabinet 53:02 - Revolt against Belgian soldiers; UN Peacekeepers sent in 57:02 - The cessessions of South Kasai & Katanga 1:04:42 - Lumumba & Kasavubu make peace; Mobutu comes into picture 1:10:22 - Lumumba calls Soviet Union (USSR); Allen Dulles & CIA ignore Lumumba 1:13:12 - Sydney Gottlieb & the CIA plans for Lumumba 1:23:42 - KGB Aid never makes it to Lumumba; Mobutu & CIA; Lumumba arrested 1:32:42 - Lumumba escapes house arrest; 2 European CIA Agents 1:39:32 - JFK & Lumumba 1:46:42 - KGB (Soviet) Involvement in Congo; Lumumba executed 1:55:38 - Congo Crisis (Civil War breaks out); Larry Devlin & CIA post Lumumba 2:02:31 - US Power Vacuum; What won Cold War 2:10:02 - Russian influence in Africa 2:12:06 - ā€œThe Lumumba Plotā€ ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: ā€œJULIANDOREYā€): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io ~ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 165 - Stuart Reid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:36.4

So that sets off massive alarm bells in the CIA. And Larry Devlin, he's the CIA station

0:41.8

chief in Congo, he sends a cable to his headquarters in D.C. and says, this is the beginnings of a

0:47.3

classic communist effort to take over the government. So then what happens is there's this

0:52.1

August 18th meeting at the White House where President

0:54.7

Eisenhower says something to the effect of, while he's looking at Dulles, the CIA director,

0:59.0

says, you know, we need to get rid of Llamoomber or something. Exact words are lost to history,

1:02.7

but it was clear that the way Dulles received it was get rid of men, physical sense.

1:07.1

Is there another way?

1:08.0

So that is the beginning of a series of events where the CIA decides to

1:12.5

send poison to the Congo that Larry Devlin, CIA Station Chief, is to inject into Lumumba's

1:18.6

food or toothpaste so that it'll kill it.

1:25.6

Stuart, thank you for being here, man.

1:28.1

Thanks for having me.

1:29.2

So this is your first book, your first baby.

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