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It's my interview with Victor Niederhofer.

He is the author of Education of Aspeculator.

And really is quite an accomplished and fascinating person.

He has made and lost several fortunes, primarily by using lots of leverage.

And by being on the other side of the trade from a number of Black swans.

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