You're on The Bert Show. Michelle Weiner Davis can help you out. She wrote a book called Sex Starved Marriages. And I think this has been defined by marriages in which people have sex less than 12 times a year. I think it was once every six weeks is what we said. Yep. But wasn't it one in five marriages fall under that category or something like that? Like if you are embarrassed by it, you should, I mean, go ahead and call, like Bert,

so we have the voice disguiser, but you're not alone because a lot of marriages are in the same category.

That seems like a crazy number to me.

That really does.

But if you guys...

Do we talk about it mostly being couples with small children, too?

I don't know.

I'll have to ask you.

I don't know. Several small kids in the house.

I'm sure that makes it harder.

Good morning.

Hi.

I'm great, thanks. How are you? Thanks. How are you? Good. Thank you for having me back. No problem. I mean, the last time we talked to you, the phone lines lit up and we didn't get to all the questions that we needed to get to. so we're going to try to start lining them up right now also.

But Jen raises an interesting point.

Is a sex star of marriage

more

for people that have kids or does it not matter

it's a great question it does not matter in fact one of the things it's the

most surprising to me

in terms of my work with couples. And the research that we did with

Red Book magazine is that there are a lot of people who are in their early, like they're

in their early 20s, and there are people in their 30s without children, and people, of course,

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