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Hello and welcome to the TIFO football podcast. I'm Joe Devine. And the person in my ear is also Joe Devine.

We're experiencing technical difficulties today and I can hear everything I'm saying in my own ears.

It's not off-putting at all, as I say, joined by JJ Bull the Bullard. I'm going to have to take my earphone out so I can hear what I'm saying. My talk to you, Joe. Hello, quack, quack. Hello, and hello to the other, JJ. Oh, also here is Jonathan Ross Dog McKenzie. Hi, John. Hello. You can't hear an echo, can you? No. No. We're the Patsies to your fawning love fest. Is that right?

I love. Kenzie, hi, John. Hello. You can't hear an echo, can you? No. No, we're the Patsies to your fawning love fest. Is that right? I don't know. Ah, goodn't talk, Herr Stafford Bloor. Vigait's too? Good talk, how do you? I don't know. Can you hear yourself twice? No, not at all. Well, then I'm not good at all. Right, let's play this podcast game where we talk about football.

And I'm just going to, don't say anything, Seb, because I'm going to, oh, that's so much better. I'm a normal person again. I've removed my headphones, listen, everything's going to be fine. It's all going to be fine. There's lots to discuss today, isn't there? There's so much. I'm in a terrible mood. We've got VAR, Manchester United. They beat Arsenal. We'll discuss that, even though Steve Hank who tried to bury it at the back end of the podcast. We've brought it to the front, Steve. Thank you very much. The Merseyside Derby. Very exciting. So much interesting there. And of course, also, other games of football that

happened. But a bit more Fredos, because everyone like that. So that we'll do more of what people

want, isn't it? When people indicate a want, we'll fill that want. That's how all the good

businesses work, isn't it? They make things that they think people want, not supply something that

they think would be good for them to get into. That's true, yeah. Yeah. Andy, what Steve Jobs did. I prefer the second one of those. I think Steve Jobs did well. Well, more of that later. We'll talk about on your Steve Jobs business podcast with John McKenzie. It's a chapter. I mean John's business, of course. Anyway, I don't know what's happening, but if you want to know what's happening, you should

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I believe you can get a 30-day free trial if you visit theathletic.com forward slash Tifo. And if you do that, I guarantee you. I don't guarantee you, because I think that's like business language that you're not supposed to use. But I guarantee you that you'll like it, I think. Yeah? I guarantee you that I think you'll like it. Anyway, for now

I will leave you

in the warm hands

and the cool

embrace of myself

in my own ear.

It's really her.

Music Yes, VAR. Let's discuss VAR first. But don't worry, listeners, because we're going to do it in an

interesting way. We've got a comment here from David Beaton. David Beaton says on YouTube,

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