This is a

This is CBSi and the world. I'm John Bachelor.

I'm speaking with Jessica Pierce and Mark Beckoff.

Their new book is A Dogs World

Imagining the lives of dogs in a world without humans.

Without humans.

That's important here.

There's going to be a transition and then, soon, there will be dogs around the planet

without humans feeding them or bothering them or

abusing them or expecting them to look a certain way. They'll have longer snouts

likely, they'll run likely

be of medium weight unless there's a necessity for heavyweights they'll move in

packs but reproduction Jessica I come to you because one of the striking details about dogs today is the

paternal member, the parent father, does not is not encouraged to stick around or doesn't stick around.

And you and Mark are speculating, imagining that there would likely be a change when dogs are alone so it wouldn't just be the maternal

it would be the paternal as well did I read that correctly Jessica you did in the way dogs, particularly pet dogs or dogs who are, you know, highly controlled by humans, you know, we hijack their the reproductive process in various ways and one of the ways

in which we do that is taking puppies away at the, what we consider the perfect age for puppy acquisition, you know, eight weeks or so.

So you know, you'll see people say, well, dogs don't have father you know parental behaviors you know that

because we don't see male dogs engaging in in parenting of puppies but that's it's not because they can't or won't it's

because we don't give them the opportunity to do that and it's you know in

studies there aren't very many but a few studies of free-ranging dog parenting behaviors.

Males do sometimes play a role.

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