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🗓️ 25 March 2025
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The editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, received an invitation to the chat on the Signal app by the National Security Advisor Michael Waltz. In the chat, the vice-president JD Vance seemingly said he hates "bailing Europe out again". The defence secretary Pete Hegseth apparently replied to Vance with: "I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC". We hear from the Democratic Congressman Jim Himes, ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Also in the programme: an air strike on a market in Sudan is believed to have killed hundreds of people in western Darfur; and another piece of evidence showing there could have been life on Mars. (Photo: US National Security Advisor Mike Waltz speaks with Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth. Credit: Photo by Ludovic Marin/POOL/EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock. Washington, DC, USA, 24 February 2025)
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. |
0:06.5 | I'm Celia Hatton and I'm coming to you live from our studio in central London. |
0:11.3 | We begin today with the continued fallout from a group chat fiasco |
0:16.3 | involving the highest ranking officials in the Trump administration, |
0:20.4 | the very people that are tasked with overseeing America's security. |
0:25.1 | We know this group was debating a military strike on the militant Houthi group in Yemen, |
0:30.7 | not because a whistleblower told us, but because a prominent journalist was mistakenly invited to join the group's chat on an unsecure messaging app, Signal. |
0:41.9 | Here's that journalist, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, speaking to the U.S. public broadcaster, PBS. |
0:49.6 | You know, it really became a very bizarre situation on Saturday the 15th of March when I was shared on a text in this group from somebody purporting to be Pete Hegeseth, the Secretary of Defense. |
1:04.8 | This text contained operational military information, including the time that bombs were supposed to start dropping on Yemen. |
1:13.0 | And this was two hours before that time. |
1:14.8 | So I simply waited and stared at my phone. |
1:18.0 | Sure enough, the American attack on Yemen began to be felt at about 130 Eastern or so, |
1:23.5 | 150 Eastern. |
1:25.4 | And that's when I realized that the chain was real. Until that point, I really had a deep |
1:31.1 | suspicion that I was being spoofed or hoaxed. The White House has confirmed that Mr. Goldberg was |
1:37.8 | inadvertently added to the group chat, but Pete Hegseth, the U.S. Defense Secretary, still had |
1:43.6 | harsh words for the editor of |
1:45.4 | the Atlantic. Here he is, responding to questions from journalists after landing at joint |
1:50.1 | base Pearl Harbor Hickham in Hawaii. |
1:53.3 | You're talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who's made a |
2:00.3 | profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again |
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