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Ups & Downs - AEW X NJPW Forbidden Door 2025 Review

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4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Simon Miller reviews AEW X NJPW Forbidden Door 2025 from London, England, featuring the Lights Out Steel Cage main event, MJF vs. 'Hangman' Adam Page, Toni Storm vs. Athena, the returns of Wardlow & Jamie Hayter, and much, much more!


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0:00.0

My friends, welcome to London. Welcome to the O2 Arena. Now, you're probably going, Simon, this is live ups and downs. It's very boring. Well, I'm a very boring man. But I got invited to be here as media, which I think is the first time I've done it in the UK. That may be true. I mean, the first time I was an extra and people got mad at me. But when you do media, it's very nice as well to be invited to the press conference. Tony Khan, like I say, is very kind and he gives you a lot of his time.

0:03.3

So it's now 127 a.m. media. It's very nice as well to be invited to the press conference. Tony Kahn, like I say,

0:21.0

is very kind and he gives you a lot of his time. So it's now 127 a. So surprisingly, it is just me that is awake in Greenwich, North Greenwich, to be so precise in London. I will say this and I'm going to spam this clip everywhere, so I may as well put it. I did ask Mercedes-Munay about the breakfast food trouble she's been having in the Night Kingdom

0:20.1

because I'm a hard-hitting journalist. Tony Kahn, very nice to say, Mercedes, you should answer his question because he's very popular on the internet. So for all the people who get mad at me, the head of AW, and that's right, I'm never giving him a down again. You can get mad about that in the comments. But listen, the ups and downs train doesn't stop. We have media passes. We are allowed to film right here. So we'll just have a nice chilled one, which I know a good portion of you like, because you don't really like the rowdiness, and you get a little bit upset, which I can understand. However, I will say this to give you some headlines, the crowd I thought was phenomenal. I do, it is legitimate. That is the largest ever amount of wrestling people to watch a wrestling in the OTA arena, which is brilliant. It's brilliant for professional wrestling. And professional wrestling is what I love more than anything else in the world, apart from my mother, obviously. Oh, well, sometimes it's touch and go. And I think we should celebrate that. I understand it's going to cause more tribalism.

1:28.3

But I thought the fans in there, it was a long old show, right? I'm going to talk about that in just a second. But they stayed alive by that final match, which was that crazy ten-man cage thing in the jig. People were going crazy. There was an insane pot for Hangman and Page and MJF, which was essentially the semifinal. So if you were there and you did make that noise,

1:44.9

you did correct this atmosphere, of course you're going to get up, right? I thought it was very, very cool because people do get tired. I did as well. I'm a very old man. So I do understand. But also, as you know, if you watched the show before, we're just calling them Edge and Christian, because I'm going to make that mistake anyway.

1:41.8

So I may as well say that now, rather than you said the wrong name.

1:44.8

I know it's Adam Copeland and Christian Cage.

1:46.8

But they were... We're just calling them Edge and Christian, because I'm going to make that mistake anyway. So I may as well say that now, rather than, you said the wrong name.

2:02.6

I know it's Adam Copeland and Christian Cage.

2:04.7

But they were taken on Kipp Sabine and Lutrosaurus.

2:06.8

My favourite thing about this match was twofold.

2:08.8

One, Christian now has asshole in his Titan Tron.

2:11.9

I don't know where that came across on TV.

2:13.7

But there's only one here in this match that was Kip Sabian. Lutosaurus was beloved, even when he faced off as Christian Cage, which I did appreciate AEW doing, because that was the story before we got kind of bit wishy-washy with who's a heel and who's a baby face. And Adam Copeland, obviously, was so over, and so Kip Saib just bunched his ass off and sort of became, I don't even know what you could call it, the pseudo-heel, the pseudo-bad guy, the villain of the piece. And listen, I talked about it. I'll talk about it here again. I totally understand that the edge of Christian reunion, it was rushed. And I had people message me, go, well, who cares? We just wanted to get there. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I am saying that I have more faith in AW and those two especially, but at the end

2:51.1

of this and at the start of it, they were having all the fun in the world. Of course they won after this really cool double spear, which I'm sure they've done before and I totally forgot, but they get the win. Sorry, I said, Adam Copeland wants to give Christian the hug, but he says, no, let's do a handshake and said, so I think what we've decided. And I do understand this after watching Adam Covey's recent interview.

2:49.6

Maybe this is the last time he's ever going to fight in London. He wanted to do it against his best friend. And I understand when you're watching it on television, it's the story. That's the most important thing. Sometimes it's nice to remember about the human side of wrestling. Because nobody seems to do that in the content creation space. And that makes me for warm and fuzzy in my tum-tum.

3:25.2

I'm giving it an up.

3:26.2

I knew it was an up right away because Christian had come out and he's leaning on the ropes being all grumpy, trying to ignore the fans. And Adam Copeland came behind him and did the exact same face. I'd miss this. I mean, I think they did have a slight reunion in 2010. we're talking about 2001 stuff here on 1999, whatever the flub it was.

3:24.1

I thought it was awesome.

3:25.3

As I did Takahashi versus Carl Fletcher for the... reunion in 2010, we're talking about 2001 stuff here, or 1999, whatever the flub it was. I thought

3:42.1

it was awesome. As I did, Takahashi versus Carl Fletcher for the TNT title. Now, I will give a little down in here to kind of represent a few things. There was no jeopardy in this match. Even though the crowd once again was amazing, nobody thought the TNT title was going to change hands. It would have been ridiculous we had pulled the trigger on that so not doing it was the right thing but i

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