Unveiling the Curse of Desire and Rule in Genesis 3 (To Be Human Series)

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Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.7 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2024

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

The New Normal: Part Deux. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford dive deep into the complexities of Genesis 3, re-examining the curse's impact on desire and rule between men and women. They challenge traditional interpretations that have influenced gender dynamics and hierarchy within the church, arguing that these may reflect the fall rather than God's original design for co-ruling and co-image bearing.

Key Takeaways:
• Redefining Desire and Rule – Understanding how the Hebrew words for "desire" and "rule" in Genesis 3 carry negative connotations that have shaped male-female relationships.
• Challenging Hierarchical Norms – Exploring the idea that hierarchical structures in the church stem from the fall, not from God's original intent in Genesis 1 and 2.
• Culture Wars vs. Sermon on the Mount – Discussing whether Christians can engage in culture wars while adhering to the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount.
• The Struggles of Ministry – Mike shares his personal journey of remaining in ministry despite challenges, emphasizing the importance of health and community in pastoral work.
• Mercy Through Frustration – Contemplating the concept that God frustrates human endeavors as an act of mercy to draw people back to Him.

Host Highlights:
Mike Erre – Pastor and theologian who offers insightful perspectives on scripture and candid reflections on his ministry journey.
Tim Stafford – Co-host who brings thoughtful analysis and personal experiences to discussions on cultural and relational dynamics.

Resources Mentioned:
• The Holy Post Podcast – holypost.com
• Genesis 3 Exploration – Bible Gateway: Genesis 3
• Sermon on the Mount – Bible Gateway: Matthew 5-7
• "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" by Joshua Harris
• Non-ference Event Details – voxologypodcast.com/nonference

Join the conversation as Mike and Tim question established norms, offer fresh interpretations of scripture, and encourage a return to the original vision of partnership and equality.

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0:00.0	Okay, here we go. Episode number 475. Feels like it should be special. I don't know why. We love our quarter numbers.
0:08.7	Today we spend a little bit of time with, hey, how did Mike get on Matt Walsh's radar? And what did you say that got Matt Walsh all riled up?
0:19.6	If you don't know who he is, congratulations, but you'll hear
0:22.6	a little bit about it. And then we wrestle with an email from a pastor who attended our
0:28.4	non-ference asking about why Mike stays in ministry. What is it about the church, about that
0:34.2	project that still is compelling? And so we wrestle with that a little bit
0:38.9	and then at the 34 minute mark we continue with a new normal we continue with the woman and the
0:47.9	curse and how a lot of these words translate. What does desire translate as?
0:55.3	What does rule translate as in regards to the man over the woman and the woman to the man?
1:00.6	It's pretty interesting.
1:02.0	Here we go.
1:23.8	Music Hi, everybody. Welcome to this here, high quality podcast, Mike Erie, Tim Stafford.
1:31.2	We are, we are Theo bros of a different sort to middle-aged men just making our way through the universe. And yep, Django Fet, attack of the clones, I think. Just a sub what does he say?
1:40.7	I'm a simple man trying to make my way through the universe.
1:50.6	There's some movies even Tim. Yeah, yeah. You're not a Star Wars guy, which... Oh, I love Star Wars. I just have blocked out the prequels. Oh, come on now. Ladies
1:57.1	the gentlemen...
1:57.6	And the sequels.
2:02.5	Yeah, seriously.
2:03.9	We are so delighted to be with you today.
2:07.0	Thank you so much for tuning in.
2:09.6	And we continue to hear from a few of you who have actually listened to every episode.
2:16.3	That is, I don't even have words for that, but I thank you.
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