Welcome to Breaking Down Patriarchy. I'm Amy McPhee All the Best. Of all the texts on our reading list,

the one that I'm guessing the most people have already read is Glennon Doyle's book Untamed.

Since it came out in March 2020, countless women have told me that I have to read this book.

And I'm so glad that I finally did.

And so glad I added it to the reading list because I often get listeners saying,

okay, now we know how patriarchy developed. Now we understand the depth of the problem.

But what do we actually do about it in our everyday lives? And that's what this book does

really, really well in a very readable, relatable way, probably better than any other book on the

reading list. It talks about what we can actually do in our minds, in our relationships, in our

daily lives to deconstruct internalized patriarchy.

And I'm so excited that I have the brilliant Lane Anderson here to discuss this book with me.

Hi, Lane. Hi, Amy. It is so great to have you here. I'm super excited to be chatting with you.

Lane Anderson and I met in Jerusalem when we were both studying abroad during college.

And then we had English classes together after Jerusalem on campus back in the States.

But we since lost touch.

And I'm just so happy to be back in touch with you and reconnected and finding out that we still have so much in common.

So super excited to have you here.

And I'm wondering if you could start us off by telling a little bit about yourself, where

you're from, who you are, some of the things that make you view. Yeah, of course. So I'm really

excited to be here. Thank you for having me.

So a little bit about me, I was raised in Salt Lake City, Utah, as the oldest of four daughters, and I moved to the Bay Area after college, at BYU, where I got my first job as a magazine editor.

And then I moved to New York City for graduate school, and I have just been in New York City ever since. I, like, can't seem to leave. So my whole career, I've moved between working as a

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