I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

Welcome to another episode of a Macari Sellers podcast.

Today we have a special guest.

And as I was preparing for this with my executive producing good friend Jerry Lode, he said,

just sit back, ask the questions, and learn something today.

I said, okay, well, I will do that. We have Josie Duffy Rice.

How are you doing today? I'm Rice. How are you doing today?

I'm good. How are you?

I don't have any complaints at least none people really want to listen to.

You know, we start our show in a unique way with our first question each episode. We attempt to allow our

guests the opportunity to tell us who they really are by asking them about the arc of their

career. And you're a writer, journalist, podcaster, and an advocate.

I think it's fair to say you do it all. Talk about your first job after Harvard Law

and walk us from that opportunity to what you're doing now.

Sure, so my first step out of Harvard was as a policy advocate at an organization called the Center for Popular Democracy.

And a lot of what we did there was focused on local government, the belief that local movements, I'm sorry national movements can be built by local movements.

And so when you see three or four different cities

or three to four different places pass a law

across the country, all of a sudden you have a national movement.

And that's easier maybe than getting federal legislation passed.

And what we did there was build a organization called local progress,

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