Hi Raviya, hey Ellen, how are you? I'm great, how you doing? You are doing great because you're always doing great,

but you are sitting in the middle of mima computer troubles.

I am haunted, I am cursed.

It's always like, I've literally been on my laptop all morning,

three minutes before coming on just

it refuses to connect to the internet so here I am on my phone but we're gonna make this

happen we're gonna make it work today I am so excited to welcome this guest I told

her we have been hounding her people to have her

on this show not only because she is such a role model I know way too much about her

it's almost embarrassing but because she is really ingratiated in the true crime

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turn turn turn hall hello ladies I'm Terman Hall. Hi Terman.

Hello ladies, I'm so happy to be here and it breaks my heart that it's taking us this long, but here we are and I'm excited.

I'm super excited.

I think every producer we've had and any other content we've had we have over the years

it's been like, do you know Tamar?

Yeah.

Okay, well, as soon as this conversation is over, you're both getting my personal cell number and you call me anytime anytime

We've had so many great guests but it always makes our job easier when people really do

understand the world of true crime, the ethics behind

true crime, and they understand it rather than just sort of having a limited

knowledge and you kind of encompass everything. so you've always been on our guest

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