Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

Hello, everyone. Today on the show we have Dr. Olga Yerkova.

Olga is a Ukrainian journalist and co-founder of StopFake.org, an independent Ukrainian

organization that trains an international cohort of fact checkers in an effort to curb propaganda

and misinformation in the media. And she spoke with us last July about her work, fighting

Russian propaganda campaigns in Ukraine

with her projects forbidden facts and stopfake.org.

Since then, Vladimir Putin's violent invasion has ravaged the Ukrainian landscape,

displacing millions of people and causing thousands of civilian casualties in just

a few months' time. This is actually the third time we're having Olga on. She is a repeated guest

by popular demand. Here she is now.

I am so excited to be speaking with Olga Yerkova again.

This will be our third conversation. And it's so

nice. I feel like I've made a friend across the world just because the first time we talked,

it was before the war broke out. And you were talking about how you were seeing things starting to escalate

and you were predicting there was going to be a problem and there was a problem and then we were

speaking during the war and I believe you had we're talking about how there was a radio or a media tower that had been

bombed and things were happening around you or in your town.

And then we found time also to talk about this Ukrainian instrument that I had that I didn't

realize was a Ukrainian instrument, the Bandora, I think

Bandora.

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