Oh, I'm Day the Credits. Wow. I didn't even pull that over. Okay. One second.

Welcome to Spinsters, a podcast where Haley abandoned me this time. I'm Jordan Liggins, and today I'm so excited for you guys to hear this conversation I had with Julie Cleggman,

the copy chief of SI, about recent anti-trans bills that have passed and how it affects women's sports.

Here she is.

Julie, can you introduce yourself for us?

Yeah, hi. Thanks for having me.

My name is Julie Cleggman.

I'm the copy chief at Sports Illustrated, and I'm a non-binary sports writer.

I love it.

Thank you so much for being here on Spinster's.

Me and Julie go way back to the ringer.

We were on the copy desk together.

She was the best then.

She's the best now.

First thing I want to talk to you about. When people listen to this, it was a WMBA All-Star game tonight or Wednesday.

Benijolini and All-Star from your New York Liberty. How do you feel?

I mean, you love to see it, right? Like, first time All-Star from your New York Liberty. How do you feel? I mean, you love to see it, right?

Like, first time All-Star, she's incredible.

She went to Rutgers, and I used to, you know, I grew up going to Rutgers games, and I love it.

I mean, she got caught when so recently, right? And then went to most improved player of the year. And I love it. Now she's kicking ass. So this trajectory is steep. Like she is killing it. Killing it. And for Stephen A. Smith, Benijah Laney. Did you see that clip?

I did, unfortunately. Butchered it. He didn't even try, actually. He just got Sabrina's name

right. And he was like, I'm not even going to try Benijah Lainty's name, who is at WMBA All-Star.

...