Welcome listeners to a very special bonus episode of Know Your Enemy. I'm your co-host Sam Adler-Bell.

I'm unfortunately not here with Matthew Sitman, my great friend, because he's abroad. He's in Germany giving lectures about God knows what.

But I am here to introduce a very interesting podcast that I recorded with some very brilliant thinkers and writers about, how should we put it, the great voting debate.

I'm sure if you've been online lately, you've seen lots of people on the left having sort of anguished and sometimes angry conversations about what it means to vote for Kamala Harris,

especially given the ongoing genocide, which the Biden-Harris administration is complicit in

and which she has shown almost no indication of changing course on in the course of her campaign,

but also the sort of normal anguished conversation

about what it means to vote for Democrats authorizing the two-party system, whether it makes

sense to try to vote for a third party. I, of course, don't think so. You'll hear lots of that

in the conversation. But I think that the people that I have this conversation with, some of them are more sympathetic to the moral and strategic conundrums of voting for Kamala Harris in this election, perhaps more than I am and then you are. But I think surfacing the best versions of these arguments and then having a serious conversation about it amongst friends and comrades was a kind of way for me to stop feeling the despair and frustration that I was feeling watching these debates play out online, where they play out not usually in good faith, often with a lot of suspicion, a lot of unnecessary contempt and moral outrage at, you know,

small differences of tactical, strategic vision on the part of people who basically share the same

hopes and dreams for the future. We had a much better conversation than the ones I've seen on

Twitter, and I'm excited to share it with you. Here's that conversation now.

Music on Twitter, and I'm excited to share it with you. Here's that conversation now. All right, Femi Taiwo, Astra Taylor, Malcolm Harris, welcome to know your enemy.

Thanks.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah, good to be here.

Thanks for being here.

So I'm just going to ask each of you to say a little bit about yourselves and your work so that our listeners know who you are and hopefully can recognize your voices as we have this conversation.

Astra, you want to go first?

Yeah, my name is Astra Taylor.

I am an occasional writer, occasional documentary filmmaker, and one of the co-founders of the

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