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UNLOCKED: Proletkult 10 - Memes Without End w/ Meg Williams

This Wreckage

Sean KB and AP Andy

Music, Arts

4.2970 Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2021

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Enjoy this unlocked bonus ep! Happy Thanks-taking, we'll be back next week. -jamie

Meme Militant Meg and Andy read the essay Memes Without End by Adrian Wohlleben, in which he argues that elements of recent uprisings like the Yellow Vests of France, turnstile hopping of Chile, the umbrella-wielding frontliners of Hong Kong were memes that help them spread in a way that traditional social movements cannot.

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0:00.0

The What if mass mametic experiments could, with a lot of tact and a bit of luck,

0:20.1

escalate into genuine crises for the ruling class order,

0:24.0

opening the window for mass experiments in non-economic sharing and self-organization.

0:29.7

Might the mean be how insurrections Get Started in the 21st Century?

0:35.0

On a previous episode of Prolet Cult, I talked to Joshua Citirella about meme magic, radicalization,

0:40.9

and revolution.

0:42.2

To stay with the topic, our guest today is meme Professor Meg.

0:47.2

Hi Meg, thanks for being here.

0:49.5

Hi, thanks for having me.

0:52.1

Would you like to just introduce yourself to our audience? Oh yeah sure sure sure so. So my name is Meg Williams. I also go by May or Mega May on Instagram as well as which I have a big interest in memes that

1:11.2

definitely grew out of using memes as a coping mechanism for my various

1:18.6

mental health ailments as I think memes actually and the internet actually serves that purpose for a lot of people,

1:25.3

but the point is that, you know, I learned a lot about memes and about meme culture and then

1:32.3

once things kind of calm down for me personally I started to really develop an interest in memetic theory and just to clarify for whoever might be listening when we say meme what we generally mean is actually internet mean and the concept of the mean is actually larger than that.

1:53.2

A meme as first defined by Richard Dawkins is a unit of imitation and that is essentially what I feel the question is today is how can these units of imitation

2:12.0

be used and be employed and how can we look at memetic theory as a way, you know, to cause these crises that ultimately need to change.

2:22.0

So yeah, that's my little intro. So yeah we're going to be

2:25.4

talking about different kinds of memes today, therapeutic memes, internet memes,

2:31.6

non-internet memes.

2:34.0

And we're going to be talking a lot about this one essay, which I just quoted,

2:38.0

called Meems Without End by Adrian Woll-Labin,

2:42.0

which argues that an analysis of the recent uprisings in

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