Hey everybody, this is Felix. We're doing a solo one or well one on two interviews today.

We tease during the weekend show that we would have a more in depth conversation about

Gaza with people who actually not just knew the situation better than us but sort of

lived it. And I'm happy to be here today with my friend, Rowan Payne. Rowan is a Palestinian

American activist and well I think we should just hop into it. This is obviously far easier

asked than said but just for people who aren't as familiar, could you give sort of a quick

timeline of the political mechanations of Israel and USAID in Gaza since Israel's pullout

of Gaza in 2005? Yeah so basically in 2005 Israel moved a few like the few thousand settlers

that were in Gaza as part of like look at our peace deal, you know we are giving them

so much what are they going to give us but I think and this is something I always try

to emphasize to people when we talk about it is that Israel is very much still in control

of Gaza like when people in the Gaza need to travel out they need to like apply to Israel

for permission in order to leave and to travel. Israel decides which goods come in, it's

a blockade so stuff that could be used to help rebuild from the previous like bombing

or from 2005 till now the like the periodic bombings of Gaza, the goods that will that

need can be brought in in order to help rebuild in order to help do all these things it's

been very difficult for them to do so so that's why you still see things like the sewage

plant that was bombed in the last in 2014 it's still they haven't really been able to fix

that to rebuild it it's that and with the Palestinian Authority has been working together

basically to also the cut like electricity like there isn't a 24 hour constant source of

electricity so I think like Israel's relationship with Gaza is that it's distinct in that it's

not occupied in the same way the West Bank is but it's very much like anybody who thinks that

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