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🗓️ 6 October 2023
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Paul Holes has spent years trying to track down the killer responsible for the brutal deaths of four women. Today, he talks about his obsession with a suspect he was convinced was responsible - and the important lessons of both listening to your instincts and always following the evidence no matter where it leads, even when it leaves you frustrated.
Guest detective: Paul Holes
Paul Holes is a bestselling author, podcaster, television host and retired cold-case investigator with the sheriff’s and district attorney’s offices in California’s Contra Costa County. During his 27 years as an investigator, Holes used his behavioral and forensic expertise in such notable cases as the Zodiac murders, Golden State Killer, and Jaycee Dugard kidnapping. In May 2022, Holes published “Unmasked: My Life Solving America's Cold Cases” - which became an instant New York Times bestseller. Paul teamed with the FBI and Sacramento DA to help identify Joseph DeAngelo as the Golden State Killer, the most prolific serial predator in U.S. history. In 2019, he teamed up with Oxygen to host ”The DNA of Murder with Paul Holes” and in 2022 he launched a new original series with HLN called, ”Real Life Nightmare with Paul Holes.”
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0:00.0 | Hey Small Towneown Fam, it's Yardley. How are you guys? I'm so happy that you're here. |
0:12.0 | So today's episode comes from our own Paul Wholes. |
0:18.0 | It's a case he almost never talks about because it's one that haunts him. He calls it his white whale, a |
0:27.2 | metaphor for his obsession to get justice for the victims. In this episode, you'll hear the frustration and regret in Paul's voice as |
0:36.8 | he walks us through the investigation of four brutal murders that Paul is convinced were |
0:42.4 | committed by the same offender. |
0:45.3 | And even as he has zeroed in on two different very strong suspects in the past, the case |
0:52.1 | remains unsolved. Of course, if you're a true crime fanatic, then you know |
0:59.9 | that despite his being retired from law enforcement, |
1:03.2 | Paul will not rest until the person responsible |
1:06.6 | for these vicious crimes is held accountable |
1:09.6 | and the families of the victims finally get some answers. |
1:13.8 | Which makes me think of something detectives Dan and Dave often say, and that is, if, |
1:19.9 | God forbid, you're ever the victim of a crime where detectives need to get involved to solve it. |
1:26.4 | You're at the mercy of whoever is assigned to your case file. |
1:30.6 | So let's hope that person would be as dogged in their pursuit of justice as Paul is. |
1:36.0 | Here is unfinished business. |
1:41.0 | Hi there, I'm Yardley. I'm Dan. I'm Dave and I'm Paul. And this is |
1:47.2 | small town Dix. Dave and I are identical twins and retired detectives from |
1:51.5 | Small Town USA. And I'm a veteran cold case investigator who helped catch the golden state killer using a revolutionary DNA tool. Between the three of us we've investigated thousands of crimes from petty theft to sexual assault |
2:03.6 | child abuse to murder. Each case we cover is told by the detective who |
2:08.1 | investigated it offering a rare personal account of how they solve the crime. |
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