I'm Chris Tippet and this is on Beings Unheard Cut.

You're listening to my unedited conversation with Mark Hyman, James Gordon and Penny George,

which we recorded in front of a live audience at the University of Minnesota.

Download the MP3 of our produced show with them at on Beings.org.

I am so happy to be up here with Penny and two other visionaries and leaders in the ongoing

work of transforming medicine, which Bill just put some great words around that.

I think about it in terms of aligning and putting medicine in the service of the robust

understanding of human wholeness that we're able to grasp in the 21st century.

So I am going to all of these people have, I could read pages of their credentials.

These are shortened versions.

Penny Pilgrim George is the board chair of the Penny George Institute Foundation, which

supports the work of the Penny George Institute for Health and Healing at Alina Health and

Minneapolis, which as Bill said is the largest hospital-based integrative medicine program

in the U.S.

A trained psychologist, she previously specialized in helping senior executives select for and

build high-performing teams.

And as a co-founder of the Bravewell Collaborative, she, which was a national collaboration of

philanthropists dedicated to advancing integrative medicine, she became an early leader and early

pioneer in the national movement to transform healthcare through the principles and practices

of integrative medicine.

James Gordon, and I'm going to call you Jim, is that all right?

Jim is right in there.

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