Poetry has become as important to me as any reading and contemplating I do,

which is why I'm always eager to remind you about our ongoing initiative, The Poetry Radial Project.

It's a place where you can discover the poetry that so many of our guests fold into their lives,

and you can also delve deep into reading and listening to the many wonderful poets we've had on the show.

Check out one of my favorites, Nikki Giovanni Red for us, The Life I Lead.

You'll also find Naomi Shehab-Nai, John O'Donohue, Lely Long Soldier, and many, many more.

All that at onbearing.org slash poetry.

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helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world.

Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives,

a powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves, others, and the natural world.

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I'm Christa Tippett, and this is On Being's Unheard Cut.

You're listening to my unedited conversation with Kevin Kelly.

Listen to our produced show with him wherever you find your podcasts, and as always at OnBeing.org.

Hello, this is Kevin.

I'm doing fine, but I can barely hear you.

Okay, hi, Kevin. Can you hear me?

I can hear you much better, Christa. You're much louder.

Very, very happy to be able to talk to you today.

Well, thank you.

So, Christa, what do you think? Do you need levels?

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