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I'm Christa Tippett. Up next, my unedited conversation with singer-songwriter and producer

Joe Henry. There is a shorter, produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.

Well, I'm coming to the show tonight with my daughter,

John McLeod. I'm so excited about that. My son is playing with me tonight.

He is. I heard him play with you in something I listen to.

And is he on the invisible hour album? He's all the reads all over the world.

Yeah, I thought so because I heard him in that interview. I think it was the one you do with Don

Gagne. Yeah, yeah. And he mentioned him. And then I thought that must be him also. Yeah, that's great.

No, he was a big, a huge part of the whole. Oh, thank you.

Conceptual driving wheel of invisible hour, sonically, of wanting it to be

full-key and intimate, but if it needed to get orchestral and wide screen, you know,

how do you do that and not? It's really great. It's really great because he's a heavy jazz

everybody's deeply into old time, old music, so. Yeah, it's a very cool sound.

Well, it's a particular, and he's not just there because it worked for cheap, you know, for me.

He's there because he really understands that balance. I don't really know anybody else who thinks

like that, who is so able and willing to abstract things that has needed and also really,

really song-sensitive, you know, I mean, really the shape of the song, the narrative of the song is

still Trump, you know. That's a pretty rare thing. Yeah, is he a full-time musician? He is.

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