Hi, Kristen. Hi. Hey. Oh, finally got you in the studio.

I know. I'm going to be face to face, but you know, I like this. I like I there's you can get a level of intimacy and total focus on the spoken word with this kind of technology, I think, then you sometimes can sitting in with someone.

Terry Gross has told me that she prefers. Yeah, to the face to face. What I think is yeah, there are some people I needed to be in the room with, but I also think because you and I have, you know, we have connected in person that also helps, but it does

when you can visualize somebody. Yeah, a personal conversation. Yeah, you have to have a glass of wine with them. Yeah, late at night. How are you doing great? Actually, I just got my kids back to school. Me too. I know structure begins again.

Well, I'm really excited. Is that going? I took Luke's birthday. My nine year old is always late.

I'm going to be nine year old son, too. Do you? So I we took his whole team, the little Astros team that I coach and all his friends to a ironbirds, minorly Cal Ripken stadium baseball game. Ripken owns this minorly Orioles team.

And he has the Ripken state. And it's so cool. 26th fourth graders. Yeah, joy and I took to the stadium. It was wild as well. Yeah, and he caught a ball in the stands on his birthday.

Wow. And he was so excited. He said, I think, Dad, I'm so excited. I'm tingling.

I'm tingling. Great. So we're all back at school. Yeah. Me too. You're just nine. Yeah, but 13 year old daughter, which is another story entirely in the nine year old son.

And I'm really enjoying him at nine. I'm not looking forward to the 13 years. I remember what I was like a 13 and I wouldn't want to have had me. Well, you get it back.

Yeah. I'm just I'm really excited that we're finally doing this. You know, I told you for years. I knew I had to interview at some point.

And this just feels like the right moment to me. Yeah, that's great. So I listened to you interview Shane.

Oh, yes. Last night. Oh, you did a great job. It was the last night. Yeah, you did a great job.

Yeah, you know, that really that program really surprised people because they just don't know that a person. A lot of people.

You know, there's a there's a world of people who know about Shane Clapper. And but there's a whole world of public radio listeners who have no idea.

And yeah, I thought that was great. He quoted you, too, didn't he? No, I'm probably. Yeah. But, but, but you know, I was a world vision for their triennial council in Singapore last week.

It's a hundred countries. And, and you know, to be in a place where global South Christians is the same thing with Shane here, an American voice, which, you know, I'm I think I'm saying Brian Lawrence doesn't Tony Shane.

We're not the only Americans to feel this way. But they keep saying we've never heard of America. And so refreshing. It's refreshing. Yeah. And it gives people hope because they've just come to the spare. Yeah. Yeah.

I wasn't coming across as I'm better than you. You know, he really has learned to not. And, you know, we did the same. When I visited his place, his place, his house, it just I had to keep buddy my tongue saying we used to do this.

Right. You know, it looked like our old houses. It smelled like our house. It was just I would like our own. Yeah.

I think he is big pride in this organization, you know. But, but for a while, you know, you have this badge of simple badge of righteousness about your lifestyle. And he really has gotten through that.

Yeah. And I think what we talked about at the end of the interview, but also just his generation has this ability to connect the dots and this global perspective that is available to them that I think does create humility and also a sense of possibility.

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