[Unedited] Derek Black and Matthew Stevenson with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

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🗓️ 3 October 2019

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

We’d heard Derek Black, the former white-power heir apparent, interviewed before about his past, but never about the college friendships that changed him. After Derek’s ideology was outed at the New College of Florida, Matthew Stevenson (one of the only Orthodox Jews on campus) invited him to Shabbat dinner. What happened next is a roadmap for navigating some of the hardest and most important territory of our time. Matthew Stevenson was born and raised in South Florida. He graduated from the New College of Florida, the state's honors college, with degrees in mathematics and economics. He holds an MBA from Columbia Business School and currently works as an investment analyst at T. Rowe Price. Derek Black is a PhD student in history at the University of Chicago, where he’s examining how the legacy of the medieval European worldview influenced the development of ideas about race in the early-modern Atlantic. He is the subject of the recent book “Rising Out of Hatred” by Eli Saslow. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Derek Black and Matthew Stevenson — Befriending Radical Disagreement." Find more at onbeing.org. This interview originally aired in May 2018.

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0:00.0	Support for On Being with Christa Tippett comes from the Fetzer Institute helping build the spiritual foundation for a loving world.
0:07.0	Fetzer envisions a world that embraces love as a guiding principle and animating force for our lives.
0:13.0	A powerful love that helps us live in sacred relationship with ourselves, others, and the natural world.
0:19.0	Learn more by visiting Fetzer.org.
0:22.0	I'm Christa Tippett. Up next, my unedited conversation with Derek Black and Matthew Stephenson.
0:28.0	There is a shorter, produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.
0:33.0	Applause
0:35.0	There's my clock. Good afternoon.
0:45.0	I will have one announcement that because of time constraints and we are recording this for potential broadcast on On Being,
0:57.0	we are not going to be able to take questions from the audience, but the three of us will be around after the conversation and very open and interested in continuing to be in a dialogue with you.
1:12.0	I want to just say also what an honor it is for this invitation to come in and to be here with you today.
1:21.0	To be here with Matthew Stephenson and Derek Black, can you all hear me?
1:28.0	No, this doesn't matter, does it?
1:32.0	We have two microphones, but this one is for the radio.
1:39.0	I am just going to try to project.
1:48.0	You have lengthy bios in your program, so I won't repeat all of that.
1:55.0	I will just say briefly that Matthew Stephenson is currently pursuing an MBA at Columbia Business School.
2:03.0	And Derek Black is currently pursuing graduate work in Medieval History at the University of Chicago.
2:10.0	They met at New College in Sarasota, Sarasota, Florida.
2:15.0	Is it right that that is the honors college of Florida?
2:18.0	That's correct, yes.
2:21.0	Derek grew up in some ways the future face of one of the largest white nationalist communities in the world.
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