Poetry has become as important to me as any reading and contemplating I do, which is why I'm always eager to remind you about our ongoing initiative, the Poetry Radial Project.

It's a place where you can discover the poetry that so many of our guests fold into their lives, and you can also delve deep into reading and listening to the many wonderful poets we've had on the show.

Check out one of my favorites that Mary Oliver read for us. I happened to be standing. You'll also find Naomi Shihab-Nai, John O'Donohue, Lely Long Soldier, and many, many more. All that at onbearing.org slash poetry.

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I'm Christa Tippett, and this is on Beings Unheard Cuts. You're listening to my unedited conversation with Christian Wyman. Listen to our produced show with him wherever you find your podcasts, and as always, at onbearing.org.

Hi, this is Christian Wyman, Sarah stepped out for a minute. Can you hear me?

Hi, Christian. It's Christa Tippett.

Hi, Christa. How are you?

I'm so happy to have you at the other end of the microphone.

Oh, thanks for having me. I actually thought you were going to be here in the studio today, and realize you're here.

You know, there's a real intimacy to doing it this way, though, which I've come to appreciate.

Yeah. What just what the human voice alone conveys.

And I've done it a lot. I've done it a lot. I've done it a lot.

Yeah. I think it's also, if that's all we have to work with, and then that's also, of course, all that the listener gets. So it's only fair.

Yeah. Yeah.

Actually, you've been on our list for a long, long time, and then after you were on Moyers a few weeks ago, we just had this thunderous demand.

And I know I wouldn't actually normally give into something like that, just give into something like that, but it felt right.

So I'm glad to hear that.

Well, I know your show. I mean, actually, I'll tell you a story. I was in the hospital getting ready for a bone marrow transplant on the fall, and I listened to all.

I've listened to many of your shows, but I listened to all of the shows.

Sort of one after another, because I hadn't had nothing to do.

I was like, I was a captive audience. Oh, wow. Well, but I loved it. You can't get the early years though.

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