This is the science podcast for November 6, 2025.

I'm Sarah Crespi.

First this week, contributing correspondent Sophia Mutino

visited the Jingu indigenous territory in Brazil

to learn about a long-standing collaboration

between archaeologists and the local people

to better understand early Amazon communities.

Next on the show, we visit the Pacific Pocket Mouse Recovery Program at the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance.

We talk with researcher Aaron Wilder about a long-term project to introduce diversity into this endangered species.

And the Recovery Program's associate director, Deborah Shear,

takes us on a tour of the breeding facility.

Last year, we had a package that ran through the year on global equity and science. And we touched on the idea of

involving local people, indigenous people in archaeology related to the land that they live on

or their own history quite a few times. But today we're going to talk about a 30-year-long example

of this type of collaboration and the encouraging results that have come from it. Contributing correspondent Sophia Matino,

based in Brazil, is here to talk about it.

Hi, Sophia.

Hi, how are you doing, Sarah?

I'm good.

This is really interesting experiment or collaboration or both.

Can you first start with where you went to report out this feature?

Sure.

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