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Once this process with Jody got into play, it destroyed my whole life. I was just so

messed up emotionally and mentally after Jody Hildebrandt that I was scared of my own name.

There's just kind of this like implicit trust that happens where you know my Mormon friend from

church isn't trying to scam me they're not trying to like harm me because Mormons would

never do that.

I'm telling you I was making millions and I left it because my kids were being hurt with entitlement they were

being hurt with people's advice and they didn't have a mother up the front

saying I don't care what the world's opinion is this is the truth and this is where I stand

Jody is always in Ruby's air what am I not hearing why am I want to fight them?

That's your distortion.

That's what comes up in me.

Anytime I want to fight someone,

I'm like, stop, Jody, stop.

Why am I getting so reactionary here?

If there's no threat here, there's a threat. What's going on? The threat that I say is not here? The real threat is inside me. I'm Paulabaros and this is the rise and fall of Ruby Frankie presented by Lawing crime.

By 2022, the Frankie family looked a lot different from the idyllic household of eight that fans and followers were first introduced to in 2015 when Ruby Frankie set out to document their daily life.

Her children had gotten older and her house had gotten bigger.

But it wasn't the natural rhythm of their lifestyle changes that were drawing attention to eight passengers.

In fact, eight passengers was on a steady downward trend in both

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