Uncovering the Hidden Mathematical Structure of the Universe

Intelligent Design the Future

Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

Science, Philosophy, Astronomy, Society & Culture, Life Sciences

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🗓️ 13 September 2023

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Do humans project mathematical order onto nature? Or was it there all along? On this ID The Future, host Andrew McDiarmid concludes his conversation with Dr. Melissa Cain Travis about her recent book Thinking God’s Thoughts: Johannes Kepler and the Miracle of Cosmic Comprehensibility. In Part 3, we look at how Kepler's ideas and work can inform the scientific enterprise today. Many scientists recognize the mystery of cosmic comprehensibility, including such respected voices as Albert Einstein, Sir Roger Penrose, and Paul Davies. Materialists remain agnostic or put it down to chance. But there's a more satisfying explanation, says Travis. "Centuries ago, Kepler already held the trump card. Science itself...can't be explained within the framework of scientific materialism." Genuine human rationality - the very thinking that helped fuel the enormous success of the natural sciences - would not exist if a naturalistic account of the human mind were correct. To get an intellectually satisfying answer for the cosmic comprehensibility we enjoy as humans, we have to think outside the materialist box. Travis explains how we can do that using Kepler's tripartite harmony of archetype, copy, and image. It turns out Keplerian natural theology is more robust than ever before and can help us make sense of the mysteries of our age, including the multiverse, the limits of AI, transhumanism, and more. This is Part 3 of a 3-part discussion.

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0:00.0	I. Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host Andrew McDermott. Today I
0:16.4	conclude my discussion with Dr. Melissa Kane Travis about her recent book
0:20.6	Thinking God's Thoughts, Johannes Kepler and The Miracle of Cosmic
0:24.5	Comprehensibility. Dr. Travis serves as affiliate faculty at Colorado
0:28.7	Christian University's Lee Strobel Center for Evangelism and Applied Apologetics,
0:33.7	where she teaches courses in the History and Philosophy of Science.
0:37.4	She earned a PhD in Humanities
0:39.6	with the Philosophy concentration
0:41.5	from Faulkner University's Great Books Program.
0:44.5	A fellow at the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, she currently serves as
0:48.6	instructor at DiscoveryU.org, where she offers adult education courses on science and Christianity.
0:55.0	Melissa, welcome back to the podcast.
0:58.0	Hey Andrew, I'm glad to be here.
1:00.0	This is our third conversation about your book Thinking God's Thoughts.
1:03.6	In part one you introduced us to the concept of cosmic comprehensibility
1:08.2	and you reviewed with us a lineage of great thinkers, as you put it,
1:12.2	that influenced Kepler's thinking from the ancient Greek
1:14.9	philosophers right through the astronomer Nicholas Copernicus.
1:18.8	In part two, we focused on Kepler himself, his university years, his major works, his importance as a
1:25.4	natural philosopher, and his natural theology. Now this time we're exploring the
1:30.1	last part of your book, the last third, where you put Kepler in conversation with scientists and philosophers of the 20th and 21st centuries.
1:39.1	We're also taking a closer look at Kepler's tripartite harmony and how it can be applied to science today.
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