We're still on unconditional election.

And now here's the key question between the two big systems.

Is God's election based upon his foreknowledge of your freely chosen faith.

That's the classic Armenian position.

Yes, there's election.

It's in the Bible. I can't deny that.

So you go to this passage here, Romans 8, and you see this.

We know that God causes all things to work together for good, for those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose.

For those whom he foreknew, he predestined, to be conformed, to become conformed to the image of his son,

so that he would be the first born and more many brethren.

Those whom he predestined, he also called.

And those whom he called, he also justified. And those whom he called he also justified and those who he justified he also glorified.

Just stop there.

Pretty natural reading, isn't it, to say that predestination is based on foreknowledge

and to assume that election is in here and not back here or in here.

So there would be the classic text for where an Armenian would conclude that first there's foreknowledge and then there's election predestination

and then there's calling and then there's justification and then there's glorification.

Now, the question is, is that what forenew means here?

Does foreknow in this text mean God is aware ahead of time of what we, by our ultimate self-determination, will do in response to the gospel,

namely believe.

And foreseeing that free ultimate self-determination choice, he then says, on the basis of that, I now, in eternity, elect you

to be mine.

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