Travis, how are you? Good to see you again. Hey, good to see you. Can you hear me okay?

I can hear you fine. Do I remember correctly that the last time we spoke, when I interviewed you, I think, was you lying down because of an injury of some sort?

Yeah I had a pain condition for nearly five years.

Oh my God.

Almost always in bed.

But thankfully I figured that out and I'm back to normal now.

Good to hear it. Yeah, I just wonder if I'd imagine that a moment ago before. Yeah, but you

yeah, but that's some that's some testament not that you can you can do an excellent

interview in bed basically and

I'm still great yeah I had I had to I didn't really have any choice so I often had my

little dog with me now she's trying to get on my lap but yeah she's free to make an

appearance if she wants so I mean I've enjoyed your your work of a lot over the

last few years so I mean we've got a few mutual associates and friends I think and I'm always

very interested in the topics that you kind of, you know, put your attention on.

And I'm just wondering now why the focus on gender ideology or trans rights activism because I think

anyone who spent more than five minutes poking around in that world tends to find themselves on the end of some pretty

egregious accusations and sometimes threats. So why poke that hornets nest?

Yeah, yeah it is it is a difficult and frankly toxic topic.

It's really difficult to navigate.

With my previous series, as I think we discussed before,

the woke reformation, I was covering all kinds of woke topics identity politics topics and gender was just going to be another episode of my series but then I got in touch with Helen Joyce who invited me to a

conference on gender where I interviewed a ton of people amazing people

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