Ethereum scaled its Layer 2s, but now they are raking in the fees while paying little to the base chain. Are L2s parasitic to ETH, or will things turn around? Justin Bons and Ryan Berckmans debate. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Ethereum's Layer 2 solutions are booming, but are they inadvertently holding back the value of ETH itself?  In this episode, Justin Bons and Ryan Berckmans engage in a heated debate over whether L2s are enhancing Ethereum's ecosystem or siphoning off its potential. They discuss the impact of L2s on decentralization, network effects, and whether Ethereum L1 can scale on its own or if the base layer and the rollups now have different incentives. Has Ethereum scaled appropriately for future usage, or was scaling via L2s the wrong roadmap for Ethereum? Show highlights: How Ethereum's rollup-centric roadmap consists of a decentralized Layer 1 (L1) for security with Layer 2 (L2) providing more transaction throughput Why Justin is so critical about how L2s centralize Ethereum Why, according to Ryan, Layer 2 solutions aren't parasitic to Ethereum but instead enhance its network effects, decentralization, and long-term value Why Justin criticizes Ryan’s reliance on "trust me, bro" arguments, questioning the tribalism and authority in claiming the superiority of Ethereum researchers over those from other blockchains How Justin thinks the Ethereum L1 could scale and what the tradeoffs are  Justin’s argument that Ethereum is stuck in the past and his claim that the blockchain trilemma doesn't exist anymore Ryan’s take on Ethereum's L1 scaling focuses on solving bandwidth limitations and addressing whether L2s are going to fully decentralize Whether SNARKS is the way that Ethereum scales the L1 Whether L2s will start accepting other tokens to pay for gas Why Ryan predicts Ethereum's L2 adoption will surge, driving up L1 fees and boosting Ether's value as the leading digital money Whether based rollups are a good solution for Ethereum to scale without losing all the fees  Why L2s would even try to decentralize and why Justin says that Solana has a better roadmap than Ethereum Concluding thoughts from Ryan and Justin Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Mantle Stellar Coinbase Guests: Justin Bons, Founder & CIO of Cyber Capital Previous appearance on Unchained: Is Bitcoin Doomed to Fail? Eric Wall and Justin Bons Face Off Ryan Berckmans, Ethereum community member and investor Previous appearance on Unchained: Post-Merge, If Lido Becomes Dominant, What Does That Mean for Ethereum? Unchained Podcast is Produced by Laura Shin Media, LLC. Distributed by CoinDesk. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.