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is CBS Eye on the World.

Here's John Bachelor.

A meeting in Berlin, the President of the United States, with the Prime Minister of

Great Britain, Sir Kerr-Stormer, with the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and with the under pressure but resolved

Chancellor of all of Germany, Olaf Schulz.

I welcome Katrina Vanenhove to comment because the subject of the conversation in Berlin

was the victory plan presented by President Zelensky of Ukraine. We don't have all of

it in it. There were some secret conusals. You wouldn't be an international treaty if you weren't, but in any event the chief component according to ministers in the Selensky government is membership in NATO. I welcome Katrina Vanenhova

the editorial director and publisher of the Nation magazine as well as a columnist

at the Washington Post. Katrina, David Ignatius and Robert Kagan have thoughts about these matters of Ukraine going forward.

Right now we have that conversation in Berlin.

What did you expect from it? Are you disappointed? have that

you expect from it are you disappointed that

once one more times Ukraine is being put off by NATO

good evening to you uh. Good evening that Ukraine is being put off by

NATO. I don't think there's any other way forward than NATO to do what it needs to do to

be true to his process of membership in accession, John.

But back to the core point, Zellenski appeared, he produced his victory plan as he's calling it I believe October 16th. The key as you said

is it centers around key of being brought quickly into NATO and the installation of

quote non-nuclear deterrent package on Ukraine's territory seems

like the weapons to be sent into the heart of Russia. But we do know two or three other things that includes harsher sanctions.

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