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Professor H.J. Mackender. International relations. Come in on five, now six

capitals. The points of view during Ukraine conflict. We leave behind Moscow, which is

non-transparent, and we enter Ukraine, which is non-transparent. However, Ukraine has

been asking, Keith has been asking, for more and better weapons to defend itself from

the Russian depredations. Now we're told the challenger to, from the United Kingdom,

will make its way to Ukraine. There's also mentioned the leopard to, a main battle tank

out of Germany. And I believe Poland and Finland have both indicated they will send their

leopard to, into the battle zone. Also, the Abrams tank in the US is mentioned. No

decision is final, but certainly one battle tank brings another. Professor the puzzle

about battle tanks. Keith wants more and better weapons and bigger weapons. The main

battle tank is not a defensive weapon. It's for maneuvers in the field. It's for offensive

capabilities. I stood next to an Abrams what 30, 40 years ago once, an early Abrams tank.

It has a jet engine. It is a ferocious creature. Ferocious. You don't want to stand up when

an Abrams is coming at you except we saw early days in Ukraine conflict that handheld

weapons by the Ukrainian volunteers defeated the Russian T62, T72. I don't think they

used T90s. They're best battle tank. But we have enough ruination of tanks on the

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