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#UKRAINE: BACK TO ISTANBUL PLAN 2022. ANATOL LIEVEN, QUINCY INSTITUTE

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 28 February 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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#UKRAINE: BACK TO ISTANBUL PLAN 2022. ANATOL LIEVEN, QUINCY INSTITUTE

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.0

The president of Ukraine due in Washington to sign a document that the Financial Times

0:17.8

characterizes as not as oner as first reported. This has access to

0:24.1

the mineral wealth of Ukraine indefinitely in the future. A big number has been used,

0:29.5

11.5 trillion. However, I welcome Anatole Levin of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

0:37.4

This is very much a moving story.

0:40.1

Zelensky to Washington to sign an agreement whereby U.S. has access to the mineral wealth in some

0:47.8

fashion with some formula of Ukraine into the future with no security guarantee. At the same time, I believe Mr. Putin in

0:57.4

Moscow has made remarks to the effect that we'll join in that deal too. There used to be a war here.

1:03.5

Now there looks to be a property dispute. And at all, I'm trying to figure how to watch whose side

1:10.5

anybody's on anymore, with Mr. Trump showing

1:15.0

not exactly affection for NATO nor for the war in Ukraine, and Mr. Zelensky coming to

1:22.5

Washington. Mr. Starrmer is there now. Mr. Starrmer is called a meeting with Zelensky and other European

1:29.5

leaders in London soon enough. Does this indicate that the war is over? What does it tell you?

1:37.9

Good evening to you. Hello, John. Well, no, I mean, the war isn't over yet. You know, remember, we still have to see what, you know, conditions or proposals Russia comes back with to the, you know, basically offers made by Trump. We don't know yet. I mean, if there's going to be peace, Russia has to reduce its demands, you know, very considerably, which it hasn't done yet, although, you know, given the opportunities it now has to improve relations with Washington, it would be very foolish of Russia not to respond.

2:26.3

I mean, on the minerals deal, this was first raised by Zelenskyy, precisely in the hope of, you know,

2:32.3

getting Trump to commit America to Ukraine's defense, which, of course, Trump came back with a proposal which said no, he's not going to make any commitments to Ukrainian defense.

2:38.4

And he wants complete control of all Ukraine's mineral resources indefinitely.

2:44.3

I mean, truly, I mean, outrageous demand, you know, 19th century colonialism at its worst. Now, admittedly, as one

2:58.9

quite often finds with Trump, you know, this has now been scaled down to what could be a much

3:04.8

more reasonable deal if indeed it leads to long-term American investment

3:12.9

in Ukraine and in the exploitation of Ukraine's mineral resources.

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