So unless you've been living under Iraq, you're probably aware that there's a conflict going on in Ukraine.

Russia, under Vladimir Putin's leadership, has invaded that country. And we're seeing news reports of

hundreds, maybe thousands being killed, atrocities against civilians. And there's a lot of speculation about how we got here, what will happen,

and how American presidents have handled Russia and Crimea and Ukraine in the past several

decades and how these policies affect where we are today. In this episode, we will discuss these issues.

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Music for 15% off an annual Zinia subscription. Our guest today is Jeff Weber. He's a good friend of mine, retired Navy, served 20 years. And during that time, he had lots of assignments, including in Russia. And he's also traveled to Ukraine on personal business or leisure. And we have him on to help shed light on the current situation.

Now, Jeff and I know each other. We're good friends from D.C. We actually did a fellowship

together a few years ago. And it's one of these things that when you're a nerd in D.C.,

these things, we do these kind of things. It makes us feel

smart. It's just a lot of fun. It's just a wonderful nerdy thing. And I specifically, it was

called the George Marshall Fellowship after the Great World War II General. So we're both

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