Hi, it's me Henry Zebrowski from last podcast in the left. We're here with Ed Larson.

How you doing? Also from last podcast on the left, we are here at contact in the desert. One of the biggest

UFO conferences in the world, if not the biggest? I feel like it has to be the biggest.

It's one of the biggest. There's bigger ones than this? I don't know, but I want to go to those because it's been fun.

But we're here with a very special guest. I'm so glad that you're here.

I've been reading your work and reading your words and

hearing your mouth for many many years and it's very nice to see you in clothes

sitting here in a conference room alive. Yes, it's really great. Clothes are good. I always come

clothed. Clothes is, honestly if you were nude, I would just understand that's a part of your

belief system. This is Nick Pope. He is a journalist, former civil

servant that's like an author and you worked for the UK Ministry of Defense at the

UFO desk from 91 to 94 correct yes yeah and that was

man

29 years ago yes my gosh, but yeah, my job there was basically to investigate the

sightings and assess any defense national security and safety of flight issues.

This is very, very interesting.

I want to get into all of this.

Is someone else doing your job now?

Officially, no, because the British government

claimed that at the end of 2009 after having done this for nearly 50 years

they terminated the program but I've heard fairly reliable sources basically say look they're still in the game

someone's doing something and what actually got really announced

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