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Chris, outside of Ezekiel's wheel in the Bible, any other reference to what you would believe to be E.T.s or aliens?

Well, yeah, you know, a lot of religious movements in the 18th century, in the 19th century,

were based on aliens on this idea that we're living in a universe just teeming with life.

I mean, one of the first religious movements that still exists was Immanuel Swedenborg,

which started in the 1750s, and he claimed to have traveled in visions to other planets

and spoken to their inhabitants, and some of those aliens, according to him, travel around in space in luminous spheres looking for information.

They're very, very similar to the graves, actually.

And then when you look at American religious movements in the 19th century,

you find that the Mormons originally

had aliens as an integral part of their theology. Joseph Smith, who founded, of course,

the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1830, taught that other worlds were inhabited by sentient beings. And the Mormons

also believed, of course, and they still do, that God inhabits a star or a planet called Kolob.

And that's the physical location of God's throne. It's like the center of the universe.

So you have all these,

these interesting ideas. Even the Jehovah's Witness, witnesses believed, they still do to a certain extent, but I think that they've abandoned this idea recently, that God's throne was in

the Pleiades Star cluster. And if you look at the first Seventh-day Adventists, they also spoke about extraterrestrials.

Ellen Harmon, who became their spiritual leader, had over 2,000 visions during her lifetime,

including encounters with extraterrestrials. In 1846, she went into a public trance

and described Jupiter and Saturn's inhabitants, saying that they were tall, majestic people.

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