when he's talking about the denazification and he's like yeah and he had to go through

denazification even though he never saluted Hitler or wrote her Hitler in all the letters

that he wrote to him.

Kagan. Kagan. I know, yeah, it doesn't count as Naziism if you don't say the magic words, that's right.

But I thought is a great way to show that like this cycle has been happening forever and that like as much as it's like plays out in the movie through the phones that this is just something that happens generationally where these social norms get updated and people who got away with the bad things can't get away with them

anymore.

I'm Max Fisher. I'm John Favreau and with us is Amanda Hess critic at large for the

New York Times culture section author of the forthcoming Second Life having a

child in the digital age.

Amanda, welcome.

Thank you for having me.

I just want to say that second life

is being published by Double Day,

which is also the publisher of Tar on Tar.

So we do, you know, we are colleagues like in that way just as a...

Well I hope that you don't get bumped to the 53rd Street, Barnes and Noble amid personal scandal and

student protests as well. Although if you did, you're a great pedigree. Yeah, well don't bring

algal with you. This is the offline movie club. Every episode we discuss one of our favorite movies and how it reflects or shapes how we think about technology and the internet.

This week we are talking about a big favorite of mine and I know also yours Amanda Tar the 2022 movie about an industry

leading figure is narcissism and abuses of power bring about their own downfall

that's right finally the Elon Musk Biopic is here. Wait, wait, sorry.

This is Tar about the downfall of the fictitious classical music composer, maybe fictitious, wink wink, we'll get into that.

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