This is an I-Heart podcast.

Guaranteed Human.

Two T's in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

Who do you think on this cast you can trust?

Um, I can trust Heather and Whitney.

I trust Mary. Trust. I trust nobody.

Mary.

Trust nobody.

Trust nobody.

Trust nobody.

Well, you know, like, and back to your point, I feel like it's been really hard to be myself

because I'm just the type that loves everybody and wants to have a good time.

But it's hard to show that side of me when I'm constantly on the attack. When I'm constantly on the defense, when I'm being attacked. And then I have to sort of develop a hard shell that I didn't used to have, which has been good for me in some ways. But then it's hard for the viewership to even know who I am. Yeah, we don't know you. I becomes kind of a caricature shell of who I really am and I feel like no one really knows who I am.

Yeah, now that I've met you, I'm like, this feels like a completely different person. Does it really?

Yeah. Yeah. It really does. Because you seem almost nervous when you're filming the show and you don't feel that way in person,

which normally, you know, in a first interview, somebody would be similar to how they

would be while filming the show, but you don't.

So I'm like, I'm almost flabbergasted.

I am too.

I'm taking it back because I was not, I wasn't expecting it.

I was expecting you to come in kind of meek and laid like pulled back and not open.

But you have like a very open caring personality.

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