Two Cardinals, the Pope and murky Vatican finances
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The Times
3.9 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 14 October 2020
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
The latest scandal from the Vatican - between two warring Cardinals - has shone a spotlight on the infighting and internal affairs that Pope Francis has been trying to clear up for the last seven years as he aims to modernise the Catholic Church.
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| 0:25.6 | Bring it on, you've got me at the word wine. Cross the Ponzilius over the Tybau, pass beneath the Castell San Angelo, and you come to the border of the smallest country in the world, the Vatican City. |
| 0:47.0 | Tiny in size maybe, but big in political intrigue. |
| 0:54.0 | You often hear about these notes being passed around the Vatican saying that Cardinal X has done this, that and the other. |
| 1:02.0 | But in 2020, fighting at the very time... this that and the other. |
| 1:02.6 | But in 2020, fighting at the very top of the Roman Catholic Church may just be a |
| 1:07.4 | harbinger of big changes to come. |
| 1:10.4 | Pope Francis could finally be doing the cleanup that he promised to do when he came into office. |
| 1:17.0 | You're listening to stories of our Times and the Times and the Sunday Times. |
| 1:21.0 | I'm David Erronovich. Today, a Pope, two Cardinals and corridors of the Holy Sea requires a good one. |
| 1:43.7 | And Eko, our man in the Eternal City. |
| 1:47.2 | I'm Tom Kington. |
| 1:49.8 | I'm the Rome correspondent for the Times, and that gives me the chance to cover two countries really |
| 1:56.3 | Italy and the Vatican which of course is a tiny city state in the middle of Rome. |
| 2:06.0 | It's one thing I imagine covering a country like Italy. It must be very strange covering something like the Vatican. |
| 2:10.0 | Yes it is. I think a little like what it used to be like covering the Kremlin in |
| 2:17.9 | the Soviet Union. Not much information coming out, lots of guesswork about |
| 2:22.4 | what's going on inside, and as there used to be Kremlinologists, |
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