Hi there, I'm Lale Arakogli, and in today's episode of women who travel, we're talking about how a friendship develops and is deeply enriched through food.

I'm joined by Mumtaz Mustafa and Laura Kleinsdra, co-authors of a beautiful new cookbook of 400 recipes, which they describe

as a love letter to their Pakistani and Dutch heritages.

You know, I'm so proud of my Pakistani heritage, and I feel like this, you know, people

actually don't know much about Pakistani food. Everyone knows Indian food. And there are some similarities, you know, people actually don't know much about

Pakistani food. Everyone knows Indian food. And there are some similarities, but in a lot of

differences, too. I think Dutch food is very farm to table. The things that are really important

in their cuisine are things that they grow. And cheeses. You've got a lot of cows, you've got a lot of goats.

They're all out on these, grazing on these beautiful fields.

The Netherlands is, I think, the second biggest agricultural exporter in the world.

One of the most exciting things for me was to see Laura make some of the Pakistani food.

I think people might think, oh, well, Mumtas did the entire Pakistan chapter, but that's not how we did it.

We broke it up by how it was made, like the sweets and the anything that was baked, I made.

She tried so many things from Pakistan, which was amazing for me,

because she'd never seen these, like, street foods,

like this thing called jalebi,

which is, like, these skilled people.

It's like a form of acrobat or, like, magic.

Like, they're putting these beautiful orange spirals

in these big, hot, oiled, filled pans.

And Laura managed to figure it out. And she did a

really good job. The book itself is about sharing food and hosting. How was food shared in your

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