TWiV Special: Long COVID and ME/CFS with David Tuller

This Week in Virology

Vincent Racaniello

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🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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David Tuller returns to TWiV to discuss RFK Jr. and the trashing of American public health, rituximab and ME/CFS, The Sick Times, the Cochrane Mess, a Norwegian Long Covid trial, effort preference and more. Host: Vincent Racaniello Guest: David Tuller Subscribe (free): Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, RSS, email Become a patron of TWiV! Links for this episode MicrobeTV Discord Server David Tuller writes at virology blog CFS, a long tangled tale (virology blog) The Sick Times Norwegian Long COVID trial (virology blog) Cochrane mess (virology blog) Timestamps by Jolene. Thanks! Intro music is by Ronald Jenkees Send your virology questions and comments to [email protected] Content on TWiV should not be taken as medical advice.

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0:00.0	This Week in Virology, the podcast about viruses, the kind that make you sick.
0:10.2	From MicrowTV, this is Twiv. This week in Virology, a special episode recorded, I don't know what today is, May 6th, May 6th, May 6th,25. I'm Vincent Rackeniello, and you're listening to the podcast
0:25.7	All About Viruses. We have a special episode for you today coming back. Many, many visits to Twiv.
0:34.0	David Tuller, who was Senior Fellow in Public Health and journalism, in the Center for Public Health at the University of California.
0:42.0	Berkeley.
0:42.3	Welcome back, David.
0:43.4	Thanks, Vincent.
0:44.2	Good to be here.
0:45.0	Good to see you again.
0:46.8	One of my regular visits to New York.
0:49.2	You reminded me that 10 years ago you published your long article on the Pace trial in
0:57.6	virology block.
0:58.7	Yeah, that was 10 years ago in October.
1:01.1	So it'll be 10 years that, you know, and I had been working on it for a year before that.
1:05.8	So I sent you this, you know, 15,000 word sort of a thing.
1:11.0	Then at first it was going to run on three days and then four days.
1:14.5	So it actually ended up running in four parts over three days.
1:20.4	Why did you pick me?
1:22.2	I forgot.
1:23.1	Well, you and I had sort of talked, you and I had connected earlier in the, well, no, not in the
1:29.9	pet, earlier in the XMRV situation.
1:33.3	Yeah, yeah.
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