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🗓️ 21 January 2023
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0:00.0 | This week in virology, the podcast about viruses, the kind that make you sick. |
0:10.2 | From micro TV, this is TWIV, this week in virology, Episode 976, recorded on January 19th, |
0:20.3 | 2023. I'm Vincent Rackenello and you're listening to the podcast all about viruses. |
0:26.6 | Joining me today from New York, Daniel Griffin. Hello everyone. How's your ICU looking these days, Daniel? |
0:36.2 | Yeah, it's sort of depressing that you bring that up. I just had a COVID patient die this morning |
0:43.2 | in the ICU. I have to say, I was a little bit surprised about the discussion, but I mentioned to |
0:53.0 | one of my colleagues that one of my patients in the ICU had COVID died. The first question, |
0:59.4 | and maybe you sort of guess, did they die with COVID or from COVID? Then I went and I was talking |
1:05.1 | to the ICU physician and they were like, hmm, so we went through the story. I'm like, okay, |
1:09.6 | let's think about the story. I was talking to this with Dr. Lee, one of my partners about this. |
1:15.1 | So this was a kidney transplant patient who was doing fine. Got COVID during the first week was |
1:24.5 | not treated with the whole, you know, you'll probably be just fine. By about day 8, |
1:30.5 | they started to get hypoxic and it ended up admitted to the hospital, started with low-flow oxygen. |
1:37.3 | This escalated. They were on steroids. They got to a salismab. They required intubation. They then |
1:43.7 | developed a secondary bacterial and looks like it may have also been a fungal infection. Then about |
1:49.6 | day 23 this morning, they died. It's really interesting because in my mind, that's a COVID death. |
1:57.6 | That's a death due to COVID. But there was this whole discussion, well, but they had to really |
2:01.6 | definitely die from the COVID. They died from that bacterial pneumonia that developed |
2:05.5 | during the end of the second week. I was like, well, I mean, this is what we saw, right? I mean, |
2:10.2 | this this channel, I was fine, got COVID 23 days later or so. They're not alive. So it is really |
2:17.2 | an interesting and, you know, challenging. Like, is this a COVID death? I would say yes. But not |
2:23.3 | everyone. So, yeah, sort of challenging. We try to get these numbers. And we're going to actually, |
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