Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture.

Thanks for joining us today on the Wall Builders show.

Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton.

And Carol Swain will be back with us today.

If you missed yesterday, Dr. Carol Swam, amazing lady.

We love her.

She's been doing stuff with us here at Wall Builders for years and years.

And yesterday she came on, but we didn't have time to finish the interview. So we're going to get the conclusion of that today. But if you missed yesterday, wallbuilders.com. Very easy. Go right there, wallbuilders.com. And you can click on yesterday's program and get caught up. That doesn't prevent you from finishing today's program first. You can listen out of order, perfectly fine.

I'm not sure if we do anything in order around here, guys.

We're supposed to. prevent you from finishing today's program first. You can listen out of order, perfectly fine.

I'm not sure if we do anything in order around here, guys. We're supposed to, right? Well, maybe.

There's a Bible verse that says to do everything decently and in order is what the Bible says. So don't say we don't do that because that would be, you know, violating scriptures. so we don't want to go there. I know what's going through the brains of some of our listeners that I know. They're thinking decently in an order where you still allow Rick to come on the program. So you already messed up on the decent. No. Anyway, so. All right. So Carol, we'll be back with us a little later, but let's kind of catch people up a little bit.

We're talking about essentially the whole, the same old debate about color of skin versus content of character and just essentially racism.

And the fact that maybe we're turning the corner yesterday, we started talking about the redistricting and potentially could have a Supreme Court decision that kind of puts a nail in that coffin. It says no longer are you going to draw lines based on race. So on one hand, we're

turning the corner. But on the other hand, man, we've got a rise of anti-Semitism and just some

bad stuff on both the right and the left. And so it's important for us to have this topic today.

You know, one of the things that they came out is literally, as she talked about, and she was really a profit of this before, it was even really known. She was talking about this decades ago that you do redistricting based not on color of skin, but on the party. And if you do that, you're actually going to end up probably with more diverse representation than you do trying to do skin-wise.

And if I take you back real quick into just the Civil War, when the Civil War was over and the Southern States, it was Republicans took over in the Southern States, and it was just Republicans drawn the lines, that's when you had more than a thousand blacks elected to office in that

reconstruction era. And they weren't making districts for blacks. They were making districts for

Republicans. But at that point in time, blacks were Republicans. And so they got a thorough

Republican legislature throughout the entire South. But it was not because they were drawing districts

for blacks. It was because they were drawing districts for Republicans. And that's the point that

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