Welcome to Holes to Heavens. I Adam Summer shall be your guide for the next hour or so. Enjoy. Welcome to another podcast. This one is being recorded on July 26th, 2003. And I suppose you could say it's a bit of an anniversary

podcast. It's been 10 years since Mark and I first met through this podcast in fact.

And I think we've done seven shows since.

One of them even got transcribed into a mountain astrologer article way back in 2015, which was interesting.

And it's been a wonderful journey for the both of us.

We've become friends.

I know that for my listeners, he's one of the favorite most favorite guests for

for all of you listening so that as well has been a treat to know and well here we are with another one I just got back from Wales and

I learned three things this time visiting Wales and I've now been four times what

I learned is well there's more castles per square mile in Wales

than anywhere else on the planet. Germany has more castles But per square mile,

Wales has them beat.

Two, I really can't pronounce any Welsh words very well.

Clearly, I'm terrible with languages and also a part of me responds

deeply to Wales especially the Y Valley every time I go.

And it's bizarre because on the surface,

it doesn't seem too different from where I'm at here in Dartmoor.

Yet, I think we all know how the land speaks to us in certain places on this planet.

And for some odd reason, there's a part of my soul that comes alive when I'm in the Wye Valley, and I want to explore

that more. I want to explore it with the dragon flag flapping in the winds.

I, I, I, there's something there.

I have some theories, but we'll see.

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