Thank you, Mike, for doing this.

So what do you think of the apprehension of Nicholas Maduro?

I'm dealing with a lot of, because I spend a lot of time online, which you don't.

And I think there's pros and cons to each approach.

And the pro is that you're really plugged in.

The con is that if you read the comments, which I do, you really take a lashing every day.

Like, I just a lot, because you can't, by virtue of taking a position, you just get lashed by one side or the other.

Yeah, I've heard that.

So now apparently I'm a neocon again.

I'm a neocon, which is bizarre because I was pro the raid on Maduro. And people say, well, therefore, you're a neocon. Well, you're not a neocon, which is, so that's why it's interesting that you were in favor of it. Of course. But if you're online, yeah, of course. but if you're online, you're whatever, the most extreme.

That's what they call you.

And no, I'm not.

I'm not, and I'm not an interventionist either, but there's a, I feel like we're always stuck between this false dialectica of you either do nothing or boots on the ground. We need full Marine battalions to take the beach heads. Whereas I've always been approach, I've always been a fan of the Trump approach, which is used to alpha. We have these

guys do targeted strikes, remind the world that the USA is still a world power, even though we

might not feel that way. And exercise our might for a good purpose. So people say, well, this is Iraq or Afghanistan again. And I go,

the people of Venezuela are not. The people have, they're not the same people as Afghanistan. It's a

different people. We've had special forces there for three, four decades. We've had business

interests there for decades. The people of Venezuela

voted out Maduro or tried to and they couldn't get rid of them. So we went in and we got rid of

them. So obviously I opposed escalation and whatever, but the parade of horrors, especially

after Solmania, just hasn't happened yet. And that's because I've talked a lot of

special operations guys during the Trump admin. And the way his approach differed, and this was

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