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The Town with Matthew Belloni

Tubi Takes on YouTube, and a Michael Jackson Movie Update

The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.31.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 November 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Matt is joined by Tubi CEO Anjali Sud to discuss how Tubi reached profitability, its push to bring in original creators, the growth of ad-supported streaming, how the FAST landscape is evolving, and why everyone is competing with YouTube (01:55). Later, Matt discusses a few details about the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic, ‘Michael,’ and gives an early prediction for how the movie will perform and whether there will be a sequel (26:20). For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your thoughts! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thetown@spotify.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Anjali Sud Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It is Wednesday, November 12th.

0:02.0

A detail in the most recent earnings report from Fox caught my eye.

0:07.0

To be, that's Fox's free, ad-supported television platform, or fast channel, as they're known.

0:13.0

It's now profitable.

0:14.0

In fact, its revenue growth shot up 27% and viewing time was up 18% last quarter, according to Lockman Murdoch, the CEO.

0:22.9

And profit margins, he says, will now be in the 20 to 25% level.

0:27.8

That's pretty big, and it's a change from last April when we had the CEO of To Be on the

0:32.8

town, and I grilled her about this very issue, the path to profitability and ad-supported streaming,

0:38.5

which we all know is the North Star now for these media companies. They're all struggling to

0:42.9

compete with YouTube and Netflix and get real money out of these services.

0:48.2

Tube is now up to 2.1% of all viewing on connected TVs, according to Nielsen, ahead of Paramount Plus and Pluto

0:55.7

combined plus Peacock and HBO Max. It helps that it's free, of course, so it's not the same

1:01.2

business model as these subscription platforms. A lot of it is licensed content, old shows on a revenue

1:06.4

share model. And increasingly, though, it's doing originals. Platform just announced a partnership

1:11.6

with Kevin Hart's company, and this morning they set new deals with YouTubers like Kev on

1:16.5

stage and Big John, Dan and Raya. No, I don't know who those people are, but they are big on

1:22.4

YouTube, and they are sort of second-tier creators with highly engaged followings, that To Be Things

1:27.3

can bring people to the

1:28.4

platform. But they start watching other stuff and generate time spent and grow the 100 million

1:33.4

monthly active users at the platform boasts. So it's a good time for a Tobey check-in. We've got

1:38.6

Anjali Sued, the CEO, back on the show. Today, it's how Tooby became profitable, the new

1:43.7

creator push in the state of play in

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