Life is both fleeting and dangerous.

And there is no point in denying yourself pleasure or being anything other than what you are.

That is a quote from today's guest, the one and only Elizabeth Gilbert.

And I could not be happier to bring this to your attention.

We're talking about her recent book called City of Girls.

And it's the end of 2021 for me right now. I am, you know, looking backwards over the last

last chapter. I said, you, we've got a pandemic. Hopefully it's mostly behind us. I'm looking

over a creative arc around Creative Live, some friendships and people that I connected with and built real relationships with over this time.

And there are a bunch of standout pieces of art, of pieces of literature, of podcasts, of movies and films.

And in reflecting on my recent past here, this episode

with Liz Gilbert really stood out. And it's one of the reasons that I am putting it in front

of you today. Now, you may have, you know, her book, City of Girls came out some time ago, and this conversation was from that

time. But again, in my reflection period here at the end of the year, which I always do, and I often go back

five plus years to things that have been inspirational, have stuck with me. And that's what this

conversation is with Liz Gilbert.

If you are unfamiliar with her,

or whether you know her or not,

I can tell you that she's an absolute legend

in the writing world, in the world of creativity. She's probably best known for her memoir called Eat, Pray, Love.

Now, that thing sold, like, I think somewhere north of 12 million copies,

and it became an incredible film starring Julia Roberts.

But, you know, that, while people are often most known for something, in this case, like Liz is for Ipre

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